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Posted here is only a sampling of the thousands of e-mail messages Martha Beck has received in response to Leaving the Saints.
Although we have never met, I just want to offer you my support as "Leaving The Saints" is about to be published. I'm so sorry you have to go through this controversy, but I suppose we should not be surprised. Please know how moved I was by your memoir and pleased I could offer you words of support. You should also know how much I respect your father. He has been a hero of mine for years, his stance on environmental thought, in particular, has been very influential. One of my favorite essays of his on air pollution in Utah Valley we published in an anthology, "New Genesis: A Mormon Reader on Land and Community." When I read the book, I did not know Hugh Nibley was your father. Would it have made a difference to me? Probably not. No family is perfect. Families are so complicated. Understanding is love. I've had many members of the Church, even among my own family, ask me how I could offer words on your behalf. My response is a simple one. You tell a compelling story of your struggle to find faith and a life of integrity -- this is every woman's story if they are honest with themselves. The physical abuse alongside the spiritual abuse you have gone through is personal -- the struggle to find one's relationship to God and personal peace is a collective story. I share this with you. Much of my own spiritual revolution and evolution was sorted out through my book, "Leap," a seven year study of Hieronymus Bosch's medieval triptych, "The Garden of Earthly Delights." This is all to say that I honor what you are doing and respect very much your right and privilege to write the book that is in you to write. May you stay strong and know you have the support and love that you need. Terry Tempest Williams
I was first made aware of your book a few weeks ago when a Mormon
friend forwarded me an email asking me to write to Oprah Winfrey and urge her
not to feature it as a book club selection. That email had been forwarded to
my friend by several other Mormon women, and the attempt to basically ban a
book was completely offensive to my soul. I looked up the book and replied
to my friend, telling her that I felt the book was an honest telling of one
woman's journey and not a full-scale attempt to ruin the church. I also told
her readers are capable of taking what they need from the story and leaving
the rest, and if anyone was capable of delving into the complexities of as
well as finding the strength and beauty in the story it would be Oprah Winfrey.
Having left the church over a year ago after over a decade of membership, I
was excited to read another woman's story, hoping to identify with parts of
it and find myself less alone than I've felt this past year living as an ex-!
Mormon (wait, and ex-returned-missionary Mormon!) in Salt Lake City. I ordered
the book online and wrote to Oprah, informing her of the little movement to
squash the book and asking her to please feature it so others could know they
aren't alone either. Name Withheld By Request
You are a disgusting piece of filthy garbage. Scott44lds
From what I've read, you've been through the temple, you've experience all that we have, you KNOW what REALLY goes on and you know the truth, yet you make up these stories and lies, hoping to make a bestseller list with your book? You're an idiot Martha, just because a couple of people offended you, doesn't mean that all Mormons are that way. You're small minded and very selfish. I will smile the day you burn in hell for all the lies you've made up. You must really be friends with Satan, oh wait no, you must be screwing Satan - is that it? Is he promising you salvation if you write this book and screw him? Shame on you Martha, you know better. Nathanael & Melissa S.
I'm in the middle of Nebraska, with a relatively low LDS population
here, but the women come into my office and tell the similar story. I've run
into the story you told (clearly, with different details) so many times before..somehow
they find me and I'm not LDS. Here, in the middle of nowhere... I suspect it's
happening everywhere there are repressive and dogmatic religious structures
in place. A) Sex offenders do not look or act unusual most of the time. Their #1 agenda is to be able to do more of what they want (offending), so they usually appear within normal limits of regular society. If they all wore trench coats, drooled and lurked in alleys, it would be SO much easier to nab them... B)The first thing most offenders do after victim selection is to DISENFRANCHISE THEIR VICTIM, which means make them unbelievable...so that if and when the victim does disclose, nobody gives credence to their claims. This furthers the perps' #1 agenda...to be able to do more of what they want. Martha has been seriously disenfranchised by her family and most of the LDS. That adds credence, not diminishes it. C)Physical evidence, such as perineal scarring, speaks more to the offender's "skill" level (or lack thereof). Some children have it, some don't. Many offenders make the children do things to the offender's body, so no evidence, but it still counts as sexual abuse! D) The power differential is *always* present. Hugh's standing in the community makes him a more invulnerable offender, because who would believe a child over someone like him? (see #1 agenda above). In my clinical experience, I have seen the gamut from homeless, predatory sex offenders to a number of high powered, respected professionals in the community. There are all kinds and church people are not immune. E) Family members not backing her up does not mean it didn't happen, it means they may not have seen it, were raised in a religious/family/social culture such that what happened to her was considered normative, or it can mean that her dad just targeted one child. That happens. Remember that offenders don't usually drag the kid into the front living room in front of witnesses! It's more often a sneaky, planned, careful kind of crime that occurs in the silences, not in front of the audience. F) "False Memory" is bunk, there is no such clinical syndrome...it's not REAL, and the people who developed the theory include some unsavory types such as NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) board members who are working, as sex offenders do, to further their access and ability to offend. Some of the people involved with the so-called false memory "syndrome" have their own agendas -- they or a family member have been accused of offending and gee, that's not a conflict of interest, is it? to say that "no I didn't and some bad therapist planted it in you." Gosh I just wonder why they might be motivated to create a false 'syndrome'... G) Study something about memory and how its action works before you start popping off about how people "don't recover repressed memory." Yeah, they DO...some folks have a continuous memory and never forget. Others shut it away in the back of their mind until they've come to a place in their lives where they're strong enough and ready to deal. It happens both ways, but a clinical reading of Martha's account shows the many ways her trauma was sneaking around the edges and slipping out before she even knew, consciously, what was going on. That also reinforces the truth of her account. Shari S.
In the 1980's my husband and I discovered our son-in-law and others in our ward in Bountiful had abused seven of our grandchildren (his own four children and his nieces and nephews) as well as other children in the neighborhood. Among the participating adults in this "sex ring" were the daughter and son-in-law of an Apostle of the Mormon Church [name withheld]. About six years later, we discovered our son-in-law had also abused three of our daughters when they were small children when he first met our daughter whom he married. Ours is a horrific story and pretty complex. Our lives and those of our entire family were blown apart. To some extent, they still are although I believe most of our family is at a very good place now... The reaction of LDS ward, stake and general authorities was appalling...I share this morbid tale with you so you can know how much your book has meant to us. My approach to child abuse has always been skeptical caution until the facts are known. Martha, dear child, I know you were abused by your father in the nightmarish ways you remember. Your story rings totally true to me, and I assure you, many people's do not. I understand why you had to write it and I believe it will be a gift to many people including perhaps, in time, some in your own family of origin and certainly your own children...Your openness has to be an example to all the "church intellectuals" teetering on the edge of despair. The Church has certainly improved in its attitudes about abuse and I believe has been forced to be less protective of perpetrators among its members and more realistic about the extent and nature of abuse among the Saints. But in a system where image must always come first, there's a long way to go. Hopefully, you've given them a shove along the way. Name Withheld By Request
Recovering Mormon; that's what I call myself! I'm into my tenth
year and I'm still trying to shed my Mormon fear and guilt.
I just read your book, Leaving The Saints, in two days, and wanted to
send you an
email. I'm
so thankful that you are here today, and were able to publish
this book. I related to so many feelings and experiences in this book
that I had
to write
you to thank you for having the strength and the intellect
to write a book that I or others would not have been able to accomplish. Marsha T.
I have read the book in all it's glory. I, too, have been a victim
of the LDS church. The church covered up child molestation on the part of my
ex husband. He has continued to hurt others by his complete lack of empathy.
I left the church a couple of years ago because of the complete lack of empathy
on the part of church officials in regards to victims of abuse on the part
of their priesthood holders. If we think the Catholic church cover up is huge
I would bet it does not compare to the abuses being covered up by the LDS hierarchy.
We had been taught to not ask questions of the esteemed and mighty brethren.
We had been taught not to ask questions period on anything that "might
look bad for the church". Liz W.
I grew up in Idaho and had many Mormon friends as a child. As
an adult I've always wondered how so many intelligent and educated people could
be so "gullible".
I now feel like I understand why it is so difficult for people on the inside
to ask the questions that seem so obvious to us on the outside. Sandra W.
I went into shock as I was so naive! I had no one to call but my Bishop. He left his job and came to my house and while wringing his hands asked me if I would like to read the Book of Mormon and pray!!! I let him know in no uncertain terms I had no interest in either, but wanted to know what to do. He told me not to call the police, but to call my husband and ask him to come home. Long story short, we met with the Stake President who told my husband that Heavenly Father was so pleased that he had come forward and confessed! The President went on to say that my husband shouldn't do that anymore and then turned to me. My mind was swirling - for years I had done everything I could to make certain I was doing the "right thing" as my leaders directed. Now I was hearing an absolute lie which was compounded by the President telling me to forgive my husband and go home and be a good wife!!! Later that night in bed - I was a far away as I could get in a full size bed - my husband told me that if I gave him what he wanted he wouldn't have to use my son! That's just the surface. I had no where to go, no job skills, one daughter in college and 3 kids at home and had been so beaten down that my self image was nil. . . . All over this world, children are victims of ignorant, self righteous, misguided and sick people who by virtue of nature are able to produce them. . . . I applaud your courage in writing this book and in addition to coming out as the person you were born to be. Phyllis D.
I have not read your book, but do intend to. I am very aware of some of the practices of the Mormon church through my daughter in law who was raised in the Mormon Church. Her brother was bishop of his ward for some time. There were two instances of men molesting their daughters and, in at least one instance, a friend of one of the daughters. Both men were never prosecuted because no one would testify against them. Her brother, the bishop, said to his sister "it would be taken care within the church, we will pray for him and counsel him." The incidents were reported to authorities by a school nurse. Beth C.
Today I bought two copies of Leaving the Saints for two reasons: I was intrigued by the (negative) attention it has been given; and being the one out of six children in my family that everyone wishes would just shut up and I do pretty much any more...otherwise they are just so uncomfortable. I am only 50 pages in but have laughed, cried so hard that I cannot see the
words on the page and a bit freaked out by the oil on the naked body deal. Anyway I just want to give you my love and support. It must hurt to have your siblings write their collective negative statement about your book and then have your father pass in the same week. Reading how you felt his spirit made me cry and cry...tears of joy! I can feel from you that you "forgive everything" and understand your families fears even if it hurts you. I am 41 year old single mother with strong pioneer heritage...good blooded
Mormon heritage. I had my name removed from the church records nine years ago
for two specific and sort of strange reasons: one I saw McDonalds changing
their sign to "one billion sold" and something said...don't be one
of the one billion sold in the Mormon Church and also the suicide of my nephew...when
the family printed in his obit "member of the church of jcolds..." and
that was it, I was out. I was angry for a long time...an "x" Your book so far is sweet, sad, funny and enlightening...so THANK YOU! Anne J.
For five years, I've worked as a treatment provider with sex
offenders--two years in Colorado and three years in Utah. Those who were members
of the Mormon
Church were more upset with themselves for bringing a negative light
on the church than what they had done to a human being. That they had let the
Church down, and although they had, some would struggle, and many never understood
or acknowledged the pain they caused the victim. I was dumbfounded, because
I never heard this kind logic until I moved to Utah to practice. The only
sadness that these sex offenders had was the black eye they gave the church,
never thinking about how destructive their behaviors were on the their purposely
groomed victims. When confronted with this they looked at me as if I was a
the devil. These were people who admitted to their perpetration, and very few
of
them understood that the church is not hurt. It was their
victim that was forever effected by their sinister actions. Name Withheld By Request
I received this forwarded message encouraging me to try and stop the Oprah show from spending time on your book. I thought it would be of interest to you. IMO it tells these women what to think about your book and what to say about it, without even reading it. Having found my own way out of Mormonism myself (partially for what it does to women) and having a strong interest in feminism and religion, I look forward to reading your book. Thank your for your courage and effort to help make this world better, Samuel S.
My own spiritual journey (via the leaf in the stream?) has led
me through your columns in Oprah and The Joy Diet directly to Leaving the Saints.
I I spent many years as a bread-baking, garment-wearing Mormon
wife, smile glued in place as I wept silent tears of despair for the secrets
I could I want you to know that your story resonated with me on so many
levels (Ioved your Allusion Manager, especially the Tempest/Lear exchange with
your Claudia R.
I was wondering if there was anyway you could pick emails
to favor yourself anymore than you do. As I read through the comments
posted on your website I felt as though the comments posted were heavily
laden in your favor. Hmmm. Jennifer H.
I am a Mormon. I love the church and its doctrines. I think they are true. I also love people, which love I feel to be central to the teachings of the church. I am, therefore, pained by any animosity that you may experience from church members. I don't feel that I -- or anybody else, really -- am in a position to judge the veracity of your claims. That being the case, I don't believe I can honestly either extol your candor nor condemn you for duplicity. I will say, however, that from what I have read and heard, I tend to think you sincere. And regardless of the extent of sexual abuse, I am more than willing to believe that you suffered significant emotional and psychological abuse being raised in a conservative, orthodox household by a dogmatic father. For that I am truly sorry. No one should be raised in a household where dominion replaces love, and I find that an all-too-common occurence in LDS households. May God grant you peace, and help you to continue in your forgiveness. Walker F.
I just wanted to thank you for sharing your story. I am caught in a very similar situation right now with a father who will not admit to his wrongdoings. I understand the complete anguish of not having the validation. Right now, I am searching for an anchor because I am not sure what is true. Its not so much the abuse but the wanting to know why, to know his history so I have some framework within which to place it. You are very brave to take on the Mormon Church as well. I know they have antiquated views on how females should be treated and I can imagine you must have felt alone in your battle. I hope for myself the level of recovery which you have achieved and look forward to reading your book. God bless. Linda
It is impossible to express how sorry I am for what you have gone through. I know you haven't written this book to gain sympathy, but when I read the emails from the "loving" members of the church who will be so happy to see you burn in hell, I can hardly let mine end without saying, God Bless You and especially those that persecute you. The moment you scratch the surface of history, the story of Mormonism begins to crumble and that is really scary for people whose entire identity is wrapped up in The Church. I know you know this I just thought I'd say it again in case you post it... Anyway, I have loved all of your books and columns (even before I knew your were ex-Mormon!) Thanks! Laura B.
i read everything on the website she had written, then i went to the FARMS site to see what her family wrote and also to read some of her dad's stuff to get a flavor of his thought process for myself...everything about martha, her life, her life in the last ten years, her father's mental processes in his writing and in her storytelling and her siblings' responses rings so true as an almost textbook story of childhood sexual abuse and its devasting sequelae for the victim...and again from a personal standpoint her book will be throughly liberating for people at any point in their own journey towards their own truth...i hope she feels great about her decision to tell her story Greg S.
Thank you for your willingness to stand, as a woman and a daughter with integrity, up to the very embodiment of the LDS patriarchal society, your father. Your description of the moment you spoke to him in the hotel room made my knees knock and skin shiver. I've only read the items on your website, and the excerpt from your recent book, but am filled with thanksgiving for your trials, courage and resolution to heal. My story is similar, as are so many, and I'm grateful that you've chosen to speak for so many of us. Just a brief note about who I am. I am a direct descendant of Joseph Smith (though that in itself is not unique- I believe there are at least 2,500 of us!!!). I left the church and all sense of the Divine when I was 18. Only after a near death experience on the birth of my youngest child at age 38 was I able to accept that perhaps I was loved by a God that cared not for what "religion" I practiced but loved me as I was. My spiritual journey since that time has taken me some unusual places, but the forgiveness and compassion is universal. You speak to that. Thank you again for using the gift of your voice to give others the courage to sing on their own. Owaissa C.
Thank you for this literary contribution. You are very brave and an inspiration
to all women and men who have been devastated by sexual abuse. Camryn T.
Wow! finally, a book that just makes a mess out of the entire endowment session!
how will your book survive the shelves? Velani C.
What you write in your book is a disgrace to not only the Mormon faith but society in general. Why do you chose to taint a faith that millions of women, including myself, count as the greatest influence and gift in their lives? You are entitled to your own beliefs, but the things you write should not be shared in a national book. They are better shared in private with your psychologists to help you appropriately work through the "trauma" the Mormon faith has apparently caused you. Why keep others from experiencing the same joy I and many others find in living the Mormon faith. It is simply wrong and distasteful. Laura B.
I want you to know that I am offended and feel sorry for you if you sincerely
wrote this book and are having it published...You know as well as I do
that what you are publishing is a serious untruth and for whatever reason you
have
felt offended and have left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints , you will in the future find the monetary gain will not give you the
true
happiness that the gospel would if you would repent and not let Satin
control your soul... Larry C. I know that you have doubtless received mountains of hate mail over your upcoming publication. I am a struggling Mormon woman, a feminist with a good education, a long history of frustration and anger at the church, and a good heart trying to do the right thing. I can't wait to read your book. Martha, I have not read your book, but have read all your others, I subscribe to Oprah magazine, and I believe you. I believe that you are an honest, faithful, sincere woman with a desire to make the world a better place - not hurt people or fabricate destructive stories. Why would you do that? I was also abused, in a way, by the church as a child. As a teenager, I was "courted" emotionally and mentally by the president of the young men's organization, a married man with two children who sent me love letters, parked outside my house in the middle of the night and created fantasies about our love for one another being special. He took advantage of my clinical depression at the time, of my loneliness and my vulnerabilities. He said and did things that were completely unacceptable - breaking of trusted boundaries, and he did them on church time, at church functions, with the church behind him to back him up. The church found out about his behaviors, the things he had said and done to me, yet, they interviewed ME as though I had tempted him. They grilled me (and my divorced, single mother) as though we had done something together. Planned something. There were no words of comfort, no counseling offered, no women to talk to about it, no loving-kindness. It was as though we had brought the unthinkable forward to them. It didn't help matters that he was from a prominent family in our ward, stake and state, and their family name was being tarnished. NOt only was he not punished, he was not even removed from his position. I had to continue to attend as though everything was fine, and as a result endured his hateful lies, looks and comments - both to my face and behind my back. I was only 15 years old. I am proud of you for what you wrote, even though I don't yet know what that is. I am proud of you for speaking out about what happened to you, about the ways that the church doesn't deal with problems, and the ways that it places women in a compromised position of authority, power and self-trust. For the longest time I thought that I should just put it all behind me, what I experienced, and let it go, forget about it, not speak of it. You found the strength to move forward in your life. I am still struggling with much bitterness, anger and distrust as a result of my childhood. I know there will be controversy, harsh words and obstacles put up by people who do not agree with you. But remember that there are many women who will benefit from your writing, who will finally have the strength to come forward and talk about what has happened to them in their lives and gain new hope. Kyrra R.
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